[squid-users] caching videos over https?
Yuri
yvoinov at gmail.com
Mon Nov 21 11:39:25 UTC 2016
21.11.2016 14:08, Bakhtiyor Homidov пишет:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/squidvideosbooster/
This is serious solution which is works. If you have enough money.
>
> what do you guys think about this? is it the same with
> https://cachevideos.com/?
>
> thanks
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:14 PM, --Ahmad-- <ahmed.zaeem at netstream.ps
> <mailto:ahmed.zaeem at netstream.ps>> wrote:
>
> thanks yuri you have been great guy and still .
>
> kind regards
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov at gmail.com
>> <mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not about it.
>>
>> There is a difference between help and passengers. Who want to
>> get a turnkey solution without doing anything.
>>
>> Personally, I quite simply as help to specify the direction, or
>> to show that anything is possible in principle. The rest I do
>> myself. If I do not - then I buy it.
>>
>> At the beginning of the thread I made it - that direction. I
>> think that should be enough, is not it?
>>
>>
>> 20.11.2016 18:07, --Ahmad-- пишет:
>>> lol …. i hope you don’t spent much time for helping people here
>>> on the mailing list for free .
>>>
>>> thanks again for your time .
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Store-ID is not quite cached. This deduplication and this is
>>>> just what
>>>> you need for dynamic content, which is the majority of the
>>>> video. Do not
>>>> forget about the volume of the video itself.
>>>>
>>>> As for the cache, you should look at what video has captions under
>>>> HTTPS. Modern vanilla SQUID can not in most cases its cache that
>>>> Store-ID with that without it. Because of video HTTP headers
>>>> and pragmas.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, the complete solution is too complex for the
>>>> majority of
>>>> ordinary users Squid and too costly in terms of effort to give
>>>> it. These
>>>> solutions can either buy or write yourself, agree? I see no
>>>> reason to
>>>> give free solutions, which spent a lot of time - it is not free.
>>>>
>>>> 20.11.2016 17:54, --Ahmad-- пишет:
>>>>> you are correct .
>>>>>
>>>>> but video cache solution was very very simple when compared to
>>>>> the store id .
>>>>> also it support couple of websites without that much effort .
>>>>>
>>>>> what i mean here is the simplicity …..im not in the
>>>>> development level … i talk about the normal squid users .
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no need to invent anything. Everything has already been
>>>>>> invented.
>>>>>> And it is called the invention Store-ID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You take it and write on the basis of all that is needed. I
>>>>>> do not see
>>>>>> any problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 20.11.2016 17:45, --Ahmad-- пишет:
>>>>>>> hey guys .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as long as the video cache has been opened now and in past
>>>>>>> proved its strength with http other websites for video .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ((lets put youtube away now .))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why don’t we see development on it to support the video
>>>>>>> contents of websites that support http like daily motion
>>>>>>> and its sisters websites .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and why don’t we use certificates once development for
>>>>>>> youtube & Facebook ???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i saw the development of eleizer of caching windows updates
>>>>>>> and it was great solution ….. why don’t we combine those 2
>>>>>>> solution in 1 product ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i think that continuing on the solution of video cache is
>>>>>>> better than inventing solution from scratch .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks again squid users Guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Eliezer Croitoru
>>>>>>>> <eliezer at ngtech.co.il <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cachevideos solution is not a fake but as Amos
>>>>>>>> mentioned it might not have been updated\upgraded to match
>>>>>>>> today state of YouTube and google videos.
>>>>>>>> I do not know a thing about this product but they offer a
>>>>>>>> trial period and they have a forums which can be used to
>>>>>>>> get more details.
>>>>>>>> I believe they still have something really good in their
>>>>>>>> solution since it's not based on StoreID but on other concepts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru
>>>>>>>> Linux System Administrator
>>>>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 00:18
>>>>>>>> To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer at ngtech.co.il
>>>>>>>> <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>>;
>>>>>>>> squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 20.11.2016 3:59, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:
>>>>>>>>> Yuri,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not the most experienced in life and in security but
>>>>>>>>> I can say it's possible and I am not selling it....
>>>>>>>>> I released the windows update cacher which works in enough
>>>>>>>>> places(just by seeing how many downloaded it..).
>>>>>>>>> The first rule I have learned from my mentors is that even
>>>>>>>>> if you know something it might not fit to be in a form
>>>>>>>>> that the general public should know about.
>>>>>>>>> I am looking for a link to CVE related publication rules
>>>>>>>>> of thumb so I would be able to understand better what
>>>>>>>>> should be published and how.
>>>>>>>>> Any redirections are welcomed..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A note:
>>>>>>>>> If you have the plain html of a json which contains the
>>>>>>>>> next links you would be able to predict couple things...
>>>>>>>> I know what are you talking about. I came to this idea two
>>>>>>>> years ago.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I had more important priorities.
>>>>>>>> But I'm not seen open source solutions uses real YT
>>>>>>>> internals yet and really works.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I'm working on another squid's thing, but plan to
>>>>>>>> return to YT store-ID helper later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, it is only the fact that the "solutions" that are
>>>>>>>> in the public domain, or obsolete, or are worthless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And for some more money and asking. I would understand if
>>>>>>>> they really worked. Unfortunately, Google does not idiots work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's why I said that the development of the Indian - fake.
>>>>>>>>> If you would be able to catch every single fedora\redhat
>>>>>>>>> sqlite db file and replace it with a malicious sha256 data
>>>>>>>>> you would be able to hack each of their clients machine
>>>>>>>>> when they will be updated.
>>>>>>>>> If you believe you can coordinate such a thing you are way
>>>>>>>>> above StoreID level of understanding networking and
>>>>>>>>> Computer Science.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru
>>>>>>>>> Linux System Administrator
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 23:08
>>>>>>>>> To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer at ngtech.co.il
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>>;
>>>>>>>>> squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not want to waste my and your time and discuss this
>>>>>>>>> issue. I know what I know, I have seriously studied this
>>>>>>>>> issue. None of those who are really able to cache Youtube
>>>>>>>>> - not only on desktops but also on mobile devices - all
>>>>>>>>> without exception - is no solution in the form of open
>>>>>>>>> source or blob will not offer free. This is big money. As
>>>>>>>>> for Google, and for those who use it. Therefore, I suggest
>>>>>>>>> better acquainted with the way Youtube counteracts caching
>>>>>>>>> and close useless discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to shake the air and talk about what I do
>>>>>>>>> not and can not be. If you have a solution - really works,
>>>>>>>>> and for absolutely any type of client (Android and iPhone)
>>>>>>>>> - show evidence or let's stop blah-blah-blah. I mean, if
>>>>>>>>> you really were a solution - you'd sold it for money. But
>>>>>>>>> you do not have it, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally, I do not want anything. This is not the
>>>>>>>>> solution I'm looking for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For myself, I found a workaround; what I know - I have
>>>>>>>>> stated in the wiki. If someone else wants to spend a year
>>>>>>>>> or two for new investigations - welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 20.11.2016 2:45, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:
>>>>>>>>>> Yuri,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let say I can cache youtube videos, what would I get for
>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>> I mean, what would anyone get from this?
>>>>>>>>>> Let say I will give you a blob that will work, will you
>>>>>>>>>> try it? Or
>>>>>>>>>> would you want only an open source solution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru <http://ngtech.co.il/lmgtfy/>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://ngtech.co.il/lmgtfy/> Linux System
>>>>>>>>>> Administrator
>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>>>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il <mailto:eliezer at ngtech.co.il>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: squid-users
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:squid-users-bounces at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:squid-users-bounces at lists.squid-cache.org>]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Yuri Voinov
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 17:54
>>>>>>>>>> To: squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTTPS is not a problem, if not a problem to install the proxy
>>>>>>>>>> certificate to the clients.
>>>>>>>>>> The problem in combating caching YT by Google.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 21:41, Yuri Voinov пишет:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 21:35, Amos Jeffries пишет:
>>>>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 20:56, Bakhtiyor Homidov пишет:
>>>>>>>>>> thanks, yuri,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just found https://cachevideos.com/, what do you think
>>>>>>>>>> about this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/11/2016 4:17 a.m., Yuri Voinov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This is fake.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only for strange definitions of "fake".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is simply an old helper from before YouTube became
>>>>>>>>>> all-HTTPS. It
>>>>>>>>>> should still work okay for any of the video sites that
>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>> using HTTP.
>>>>>>>>>> YT uses cache-preventing scheme for videos relatively
>>>>>>>>>> long time
>>>>>>>>>> (after they finished use Flash videos). So, no one -
>>>>>>>>>> excluding Google
>>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>>>> - can cache it now. Especially for mobile devices. I've
>>>>>>>>>> spent last
>>>>>>>>>> two years to learn this. So, anyone who talk he can cache
>>>>>>>>>> YT is lies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I explain here why:
>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/DynamicContent/YouTube/Dis
>>>>>>>>>> <http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/DynamicContent/YouTube/Dis>
>>>>>>>>>> c
>>>>>>>>>> ussion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All another videos - well, this is a bit difficult - but
>>>>>>>>>> possible to cache.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you look at the features list it clearly says:
>>>>>>>>>> "No support for HTTPS (secure HTTP) caching."
>>>>>>>>>> HTTPS itself in most cases can't be easy cached by
>>>>>>>>>> vanilla squid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Amos
>>>>>>>>>>
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