[squid-users] caching videos over https?

--Ahmad-- ahmed.zaeem at netstream.ps
Sun Nov 20 12:07:45 UTC 2016 

lol …. i hope you don’t  spent much time for helping people here on the mailing list for free .

thanks again for your time .


> On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Store-ID is not quite cached. This deduplication and this is just what
> you need for dynamic content, which is the majority of the video. Do not
> forget about the volume of the video itself.
> 
> As for the cache, you should look at what video has captions under
> HTTPS. Modern vanilla SQUID can not in most cases its cache that
> Store-ID with that without it. Because of video HTTP headers and pragmas.
> 
> In any case, the complete solution is too complex for the majority of
> ordinary users Squid and too costly in terms of effort to give it. These
> solutions can either buy or write yourself, agree? I see no reason to
> give free solutions, which spent a lot of time - it is not free.
> 
> 20.11.2016 17:54, --Ahmad-- пишет:
>> you are correct .
>> 
>> but video cache solution was very very simple when compared to the store id .
>> also it support couple of websites without  that much effort .
>> 
>> what i mean here is the simplicity …..im not in the development level … i talk about the normal squid users .
>> 
>> cheers 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Yuri Voinov <yvoinov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And no need to invent anything. Everything has already been invented.
>>> And it is called the invention Store-ID.
>>> 
>>> You take it and write on the basis of all that is needed. I do not see
>>> any problem.
>>> 
>>> 20.11.2016 17:45, --Ahmad-- пишет:
>>>> hey guys .
>>>> 
>>>> as long as the video cache has been opened now  and in past  proved its strength with http other websites for video .
>>>> 
>>>> ((lets put youtube away now .))
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> why don’t we see development on it to support  the video contents of websites that support http  like daily motion and its sisters websites .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> and why don’t we use certificates once development for youtube & Facebook ???
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i saw the development of eleizer of caching windows updates and it was great solution ….. why don’t we combine those 2 solution in 1 product ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i  think that continuing on the solution of video cache is better than inventing solution from scratch .
>>>> 
>>>> thanks again squid users Guys 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer at ngtech.co.il> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The cachevideos solution is not a fake but as Amos mentioned it might not have been updated\upgraded to match today state of YouTube and google videos.
>>>>> I do not know a thing about this product but they offer a trial period and they have a forums which can be used to get more details.
>>>>> I believe they still have something really good in their solution since it's not based on StoreID but on other concepts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru
>>>>> Linux System Administrator
>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com] 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 00:18
>>>>> To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer at ngtech.co.il>; squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 20.11.2016 3:59, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:
>>>>>> Yuri,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am not the most experienced in life and in security but I can say it's possible and I am not selling it....
>>>>>> I released the windows update cacher which works in enough places(just by seeing how many downloaded it..).
>>>>>> The first rule I have learned from my mentors is that even if you know something it might not fit to be in a form that the general public should know about.
>>>>>> I am looking for a link to CVE related publication rules of thumb so I would be able to understand better what should be published and how.
>>>>>> Any redirections are welcomed..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A note:
>>>>>> If you have the plain html of a json which contains the next links you would be able to predict couple things...
>>>>> I know what are you talking about. I came to this idea two years ago.
>>>>> Unfortunately, I had more important priorities.
>>>>> But I'm not seen open source solutions uses real YT internals yet and really works.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now I'm working on another squid's thing, but plan to return to YT store-ID helper later.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, it is only the fact that the "solutions" that are in the public domain, or obsolete, or are worthless.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And for some more money and asking. I would understand if they really worked. Unfortunately, Google does not idiots work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's why I said that the development of the Indian - fake.
>>>>>> If you would be able to catch every single fedora\redhat sqlite db file and replace it with a malicious sha256 data you would be able to hack each of their clients machine when they will be updated.
>>>>>> If you believe you can coordinate such a thing you are way above StoreID level of understanding networking and Computer Science.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru
>>>>>> Linux System Administrator
>>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Yuri Voinov [mailto:yvoinov at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 23:08
>>>>>> To: Eliezer Croitoru <eliezer at ngtech.co.il>; 
>>>>>> squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do not want to waste my and your time and discuss this issue. I know what I know, I have seriously studied this issue. None of those who are really able to cache Youtube - not only on desktops but also on mobile devices - all without exception - is no solution in the form of open source or blob will not offer free. This is big money. As for Google, and for those who use it. Therefore, I suggest better acquainted with the way Youtube counteracts caching and close useless discussion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not going to shake the air and talk about what I do not and can not be. If you have a solution - really works, and for absolutely any type of client (Android and iPhone) - show evidence or let's stop blah-blah-blah. I mean, if you really were a solution - you'd sold it for money. But you do not have it, isn't it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I do not want anything. This is not the solution I'm looking for. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For myself, I found a workaround; what I know - I have stated in the wiki. If someone else wants to spend a year or two for new investigations - welcome.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 20.11.2016 2:45, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:
>>>>>>> Yuri,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let say I can cache youtube videos, what would I get for this?
>>>>>>> I mean, what would anyone get from this?
>>>>>>> Let say I will give you a blob that will work, will you try it? Or 
>>>>>>> would you want only an open source solution?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Eliezer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> Eliezer Croitoru <http://ngtech.co.il/lmgtfy/> Linux System 
>>>>>>> Administrator
>>>>>>> Mobile: +972-5-28704261
>>>>>>> Email: eliezer at ngtech.co.il
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: squid-users [mailto:squid-users-bounces at lists.squid-cache.org]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Yuri Voinov
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 17:54
>>>>>>> To: squid-users at lists.squid-cache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HTTPS is not a problem, if not a problem to install the proxy 
>>>>>>> certificate to the clients.
>>>>>>> The problem in combating caching YT by Google.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 21:41, Yuri Voinov пишет:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 21:35, Amos Jeffries пишет:
>>>>>>> 19.11.2016 20:56, Bakhtiyor Homidov пишет:
>>>>>>> thanks, yuri,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> just found https://cachevideos.com/, what do you think about this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 20/11/2016 4:17 a.m., Yuri Voinov wrote:
>>>>>>> This is fake.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Only for strange definitions of "fake".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is simply an old helper from before YouTube became all-HTTPS. It 
>>>>>>> should still work okay for any of the video sites that are still 
>>>>>>> using HTTP.
>>>>>>> YT uses cache-preventing scheme for videos relatively long time 
>>>>>>> (after they finished use Flash videos). So, no one - excluding Google 
>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>> - can cache it now. Especially for mobile devices. I've spent last 
>>>>>>> two years to learn this. So, anyone who talk he can cache YT is lies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As I explain here why:
>>>>>>> http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/DynamicContent/YouTube/Dis
>>>>>>> c
>>>>>>> ussion
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All another videos - well, this is a bit difficult - but possible to cache.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you look at the features list it clearly says:
>>>>>>> "No support for HTTPS (secure HTTP) caching."
>>>>>>> HTTPS itself in most cases can't be easy cached by vanilla squid.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Amos
>>>>>>> 
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