<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">lol …. i hope you don’t spent much time for helping people here on the mailing list for free .</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">thanks again for your time .</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Yuri Voinov <<a href="mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com" class="">yvoinov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Store-ID is not quite cached. This deduplication and this is just what</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">you need for dynamic content, which is the majority of the video. Do not</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">forget about the volume of the video itself.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">As for the cache, you should look at what video has captions under</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">HTTPS. Modern vanilla SQUID can not in most cases its cache that</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Store-ID with that without it. Because of video HTTP headers and pragmas.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">In any case, the complete solution is too complex for the majority of</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">ordinary users Squid and too costly in terms of effort to give it. These</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">solutions can either buy or write yourself, agree? I see no reason to</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">give free solutions, which spent a lot of time - it is not free.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">20.11.2016 17:54, --Ahmad-- пишет:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">you are correct .<br class=""><br class="">but video cache solution was very very simple when compared to the store id .<br class="">also it support couple of websites without that much effort .<br class=""><br class="">what i mean here is the simplicity …..im not in the development level … i talk about the normal squid users .<br class=""><br class="">cheers<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Yuri Voinov <<a href="mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com" class="">yvoinov@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">And no need to invent anything. Everything has already been invented.<br class="">And it is called the invention Store-ID.<br class=""><br class="">You take it and write on the basis of all that is needed. I do not see<br class="">any problem.<br class=""><br class="">20.11.2016 17:45, --Ahmad-- пишет:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">hey guys .<br class=""><br class="">as long as the video cache has been opened now and in past proved its strength with http other websites for video .<br class=""><br class="">((lets put youtube away now .))<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">why don’t we see development on it to support the video contents of websites that support http like daily motion and its sisters websites .<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">and why don’t we use certificates once development for youtube & Facebook ???<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">i saw the development of eleizer of caching windows updates and it was great solution ….. why don’t we combine those 2 solution in 1 product ?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">i think that continuing on the solution of video cache is better than inventing solution from scratch .<br class=""><br class="">thanks again squid users Guys<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Eliezer Croitoru <<a href="mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il" class="">eliezer@ngtech.co.il</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">The cachevideos solution is not a fake but as Amos mentioned it might not have been updated\upgraded to match today state of YouTube and google videos.<br class="">I do not know a thing about this product but they offer a trial period and they have a forums which can be used to get more details.<br class="">I believe they still have something really good in their solution since it's not based on StoreID but on other concepts.<br class=""><br class="">Eliezer<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">Eliezer Croitoru<br class="">Linux System Administrator<br class="">Mobile: +972-5-28704261<br class="">Email: <a href="mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il" class="">eliezer@ngtech.co.il</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Yuri Voinov [<a href="mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com" class="">mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 00:18<br class="">To: Eliezer Croitoru <<a href="mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il" class="">eliezer@ngtech.co.il</a>>; <a href="mailto:squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org" class="">squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">20.11.2016 3:59, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yuri,<br class=""><br class="">I am not the most experienced in life and in security but I can say it's possible and I am not selling it....<br class="">I released the windows update cacher which works in enough places(just by seeing how many downloaded it..).<br class="">The first rule I have learned from my mentors is that even if you know something it might not fit to be in a form that the general public should know about.<br class="">I am looking for a link to CVE related publication rules of thumb so I would be able to understand better what should be published and how.<br class="">Any redirections are welcomed..<br class=""><br class="">A note:<br class="">If you have the plain html of a json which contains the next links you would be able to predict couple things...<br class=""></blockquote>I know what are you talking about. I came to this idea two years ago.<br class="">Unfortunately, I had more important priorities.<br class="">But I'm not seen open source solutions uses real YT internals yet and really works.<br class=""><br class="">Now I'm working on another squid's thing, but plan to return to YT store-ID helper later.<br class=""><br class="">However, it is only the fact that the "solutions" that are in the public domain, or obsolete, or are worthless.<br class=""><br class="">And for some more money and asking. I would understand if they really worked. Unfortunately, Google does not idiots work.<br class=""><br class="">That's why I said that the development of the Indian - fake.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">If you would be able to catch every single fedora\redhat sqlite db file and replace it with a malicious sha256 data you would be able to hack each of their clients machine when they will be updated.<br class="">If you believe you can coordinate such a thing you are way above StoreID level of understanding networking and Computer Science.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Eliezer<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">Eliezer Croitoru<br class="">Linux System Administrator<br class="">Mobile: +972-5-28704261<br class="">Email: <a href="mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il" class="">eliezer@ngtech.co.il</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Yuri Voinov [<a href="mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com" class="">mailto:yvoinov@gmail.com</a>]<br class="">Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 23:08<br class="">To: Eliezer Croitoru <<a href="mailto:eliezer@ngtech.co.il" class="">eliezer@ngtech.co.il</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><a href="mailto:squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org" class="">squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?<br class=""><br class="">I do not want to waste my and your time and discuss this issue. I know what I know, I have seriously studied this issue. None of those who are really able to cache Youtube - not only on desktops but also on mobile devices - all without exception - is no solution in the form of open source or blob will not offer free. This is big money. As for Google, and for those who use it. Therefore, I suggest better acquainted with the way Youtube counteracts caching and close useless discussion.<br class=""><br class="">I'm not going to shake the air and talk about what I do not and can not be. If you have a solution - really works, and for absolutely any type of client (Android and iPhone) - show evidence or let's stop blah-blah-blah. I mean, if you really were a solution - you'd sold it for money. But you do not have it, isn't it?<br class=""><br class="">Personally, I do not want anything. This is not the solution I'm looking for.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">For myself, I found a workaround; what I know - I have stated in the wiki. If someone else wants to spend a year or two for new investigations - welcome.<br class=""><br class="">20.11.2016 2:45, Eliezer Croitoru пишет:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Yuri,<br class=""><br class="">Let say I can cache youtube videos, what would I get for this?<br class="">I mean, what would anyone get from this?<br class="">Let say I will give you a blob that will work, will you try it? Or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">would you want only an open source solution?<br class=""><br class="">Eliezer<br class=""><br class="">----<br class="">Eliezer Croitoru <http://ngtech.co.il/lmgtfy/> Linux System<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Administrator<br class="">Mobile: +972-5-28704261<br class="">Email: eliezer@ngtech.co.il<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">From: squid-users [mailto:squid-users-bounces@lists.squid-cache.org]<br class="">On Behalf Of Yuri Voinov<br class="">Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 17:54<br class="">To: squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org<br class="">Subject: Re: [squid-users] caching videos over https?<br class=""><br class="">HTTPS is not a problem, if not a problem to install the proxy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">certificate to the clients.<br class="">The problem in combating caching YT by Google.<br class=""><br class="">19.11.2016 21:41, Yuri Voinov пишет:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">19.11.2016 21:35, Amos Jeffries пишет:<br class="">19.11.2016 20:56, Bakhtiyor Homidov пишет:<br class="">thanks, yuri,<br class=""><br class="">just found https://cachevideos.com/, what do you think about this?<br class=""><br class="">On 20/11/2016 4:17 a.m., Yuri Voinov wrote:<br class="">This is fake.<br class=""><br class="">Only for strange definitions of "fake".<br class=""><br class="">It is simply an old helper from before YouTube became all-HTTPS. It<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">should still work okay for any of the video sites that are still<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">using HTTP.<br class="">YT uses cache-preventing scheme for videos relatively long time<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">(after they finished use Flash videos). So, no one - excluding Google<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">itself<br class="">- can cache it now. Especially for mobile devices. I've spent last<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">two years to learn this. So, anyone who talk he can cache YT is lies.<br class=""><br class="">As I explain here why:<br class="">http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigExamples/DynamicContent/YouTube/Dis<br class="">c<br class="">ussion<br class=""><br class="">All another videos - well, this is a bit difficult - but possible to cache.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">If you look at the features list it clearly says:<br class="">"No support for HTTPS (secure HTTP) caching."<br class="">HTTPS itself in most cases can't be easy cached by vanilla squid.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Amos<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">squid-users mailing list<br class="">squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org<br class=""><mailto:squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org><br class="">http://lists.squid-cache.org/listinfo/squid-users<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>--<br class="">Cats - delicious. You just do not know how to cook them.<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">squid-users mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org" class="">squid-users@lists.squid-cache.org</a><br class="">http://lists.squid-cache.org/listinfo/squid-users<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Cats - delicious. 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